Forget “December to Remember” because we’re in the middle of the “November To Never Forget” or, something — I don’t know. I’ve been listening to the André 3000 flute record and my mind is pretty blown right now. Also mind-blowing is just the amount of money people are going to spend on cars this month.
And it’s not just in the United States; data from the European Union shows just how anxious those buyers are to finally get into cars, which is notable given that it’s still not the most ideal time to be buying a car. Specifically, European consumers are dropping diesels for hybrids and EVs.
It’s also not an ideal time to be a Ford or a GM exec, as both of those companies are having to scale back ambitions in the face of some cold realities. For Ford, that means tightening up its battery plans and, for GM, it’s realizing that maybe the pivot to being more like a tech company isn’t going to be as easy as it seemed at first.
Aight, I gotta keep dry-brining this turkey; let’s do this Dump and keep moving.
November Sales Projected Up 10.2% As The Pocketbooks Open
While interest rates remain high, there are finally vehicles on dealer lots and, with the end of the year approaching, it seems like a lot of consumers aren’t willing to wait any longer. This means sales for cars are expected to increase and, with a still high average transaction price, Americans are likely to set a monthly record for the most money spent on new cars.
Specifically, the numbers from JD Power/Global Data show a total of $44.5 billion projected to be spent on new cars in just the month of November. That would be the highest amount ever recorded for November and up 9.5% from November 2022.
Not only that, sales growth is up, with an expected increase of 13.0% year-over-year in November to crest 1.04 million units.
What’s going on here? From J.D. Power’s data guy Thomas King:
“Sales growth is being enabled by improving vehicle availability. Despite the nearly six-week UAW work stoppage, retail inventory levels in November are expected to finish around 1.6 million units, a 7.5% increase from last month and 43.7% increase compared with November 2022, but still over 40% below pre-pandemic levels.
“However, as inventory and sales volumes improve, the average new-vehicle retail transaction price is declining to $45,332, down $873—or 1.9%—from November 2022. However, even with the decline in average transaction prices, consumers are on track to spend nearly $44.5 billion on new vehicles this month—the highest on record for the month of November and 9.5% higher than November 2022.”
There’s more good news for consumers here, which is that only 21.4% of cars are selling for above MSRP according to the data. Last November, that number was 37.1%
High interest rates are still a bummer for consumers and dealers, but the good news for dealers is that, while profits are down 20.5% year-over-year, they’re up about 83.9% from November 2019.
All of this points to more of a normalization in the car market. Yes, transaction prices are high. Yes, interest rates are high. But there are more cars and consumers are ready to buy. I still think there’s increased inventory to come and greater incentives to be had so, if you can wait, that’s not a bad thing.
However, if you don’t want to wait or your specific car has a great deal going, it’s not unreasonable to come off the sidelines.
Hybrids, Electric Cars Outsold Diesels In Europe
While most of our European friends will not be enjoying roast turkey and all the fixing this week, car companies there can at least take comfort in a big increase in sales.
New car sales in the European Union rose 14.6% in October, boosted in part by a big jump in sales of fully electric cars, while hybrid electric vehicles accounted for nearly three of every 10 vehicles sold in the economic bloc.
Sales of fully electric cars rose 36.3% from a year earlier and full hybrid sales were up nearly 39% as the EU recorded its 15th consecutive month of sales growth, the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA) said on Tuesday.
The ACEA said fully electric cars made up 14.2% of sales in October, overtaking sales of diesel cars for the third time.
Here’s a big detail: hybrids are almost 30% of the market and EVs are another 14.2%, with diesels accounting for about 12% of sales in the EU last month.
It was probably inevitable, before Dieselgate, that diesels would slide in popularity as hybrids and EVs started to expand in the market. The speed with which it’s happened is amazing, however.
In 2015, diesels made up more than half of all car sales in Europe, so the drop to barely 1-in-10 in less than ten years is pretty astounding.
GM CEO Mary Barra’s Plans Not Looking So Great Right Now
GM’s plan to become more of a tech company has run into the harsh reality of how difficult it is to be a tech company. Specifically, the departure of Cruise CEO Kyle Vogt and the company’s ongoing battery production issues are making her plans to increase revenue to $280 billion annually by 2030 seem a little bit more like a fantasy.
According to this Automotive News report, Barra was banking on $50 billion in revenue from Cruise which, given what’s going on now, seems like a stretch. It’s only 2023, so there’s still plenty of time to correct everything, but it won’t be easy. Here’s a great quote pairing from that article:
Building cars is hard! Building cars while pivoting to being a “tech company” seems even harder.
Ford Cutting Back On Michigan Battery Plant
The proposed Ford plan to build a large LFP battery plant in Marshall, Michigan is moving forward after delays, albeit at a much smaller scale.
Initially, Ford’s grand plans called for a $3.5 billion investment and included a big event with Michigan Government Gretchen Whitmer.
This all-new battery production facility in Michigan will add approximately 35 gigawatt hours per year of new battery capacity for Ford in the U.S. initially – capable of powering approximately 400,000 future Ford EVs.
“Ford’s $3.5 billion investment creating 2,500 good-paying jobs in Marshall building electric vehicle batteries will build on Michigan’s economic momentum,” said Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. “Today’s generational investment by an American icon will uplift local families, small businesses, and the entire community and help our state continue leading the future of mobility and electrification. Let’s continue bringing the supply chain of electric vehicles, chips, and batteries home while creating thousands of good-paying jobs and revitalizing every region of our state. Since I took office, we’ve secured over 30,000 auto jobs and landed multiple electric vehicle and chip-making factories. We’re on the move, so let’s keep our foot on the accelerator.”
Well, not quite. Here’s the Ford update on all that:
We are pleased to confirm we are moving ahead with the Marshall project, consistent with the Ford+ plan for growth and value creation. However, we are right-sizing as we balance investment, growth, and profitability. The facility will now create more than 1,700 good-paying American jobs to produce a planned capacity of approximately 20 GWh.
We still expect BlueOval Battery Park Michigan to be the first of Ford’s battery plants of this kind when it begins producing LFP battery cells starting in 2026.
So what happens to all of those subsidies Ford asked for in order to build the plant? From The Detroit Free Press:
Michigan House Republican Leader Matt Hall, R-Richland Township, suggested lawmakers could push to nix proponents of the subsidies altogether.
“If the original proposal misrepresented Ford’s plans, the hundreds of millions of dollars tied to job creation should be revoked under the contract. The governor must right-size state funding and ensure taxpayers aren’t left on the hook for her failure,” Hall said in statement Tuesday.
Building cars is hard!
The Big Question
Two big questions:
- What’s the November equivalent of “December to Remember”? Please help me come up with a name.
- What are you most looking forward to eating this week?
2. Sweet potato casserole. Pumpkin pie.
My favorite thing to make for Thanksgiving?
Reservations.
BEV demand is falling because automakers are focused on making expensive consumer BEVs that consumers cannot afford. If Ford made the Lightning like a regular F-150 (available in more than 1 cab, seating, and bed length configuration) and they made a Maverick BEV that was range and cost competitive with the Nissan Leaf both would sell like hotcakes.
This is largely it.
$40K? People are willing
$60K? Far fewer people are willing.
Or is it that EV intenders actually read the news and know that after Jan 1, they’ll be able to apply their $7500 federal incentive to the down payment immediately rather than waiting to file taxes to get the credit?
Hmmmm…
I’m not sure what to make of the spending figure. Certainly $44.5B is a big number, but the US is a big country. Playing with the numbers, including the average new car price and the adult population of the US, it implies that roughly one out of every 274 adults will get a new car this month. I guess that sounds pretty reasonable?
Shifting gears to answer the big questions, I am not good at catchy slogans, so I will skip that one and go straight for the food.
While Thanksgiving dinner itself is a wonderful occasion, tomorrow’s meal is not necessarily the one I am most looking forward to. For me, Thanksgiving means traveling to one of my favorite places (with some of my favorite people) for the weekend and eating some of my favorite foods at some of my favorite restaurants. There is a little breakfast spot and a really good burger shack that I have been thinking about nonstop for about the past week.
“What’s the November equivalent of “December to Remember”? Please help me come up with a name.”
November to Dismember?
“What are you most looking forward to eating this week?”
Schnitzel.
November, wait till next December.
It’s a “November to Surrender”. A time to admit the salesperson is always going to be better at this than you are, so just take that $100 that they are giving you off the Trucoat and be happy. You betcha!
39 comments in, we have a winner!
I want a new vehicle this year > waiting for things to normalize.
Since I’m making reference to a movie from 1996, here’s the clip. I need to re-watch Fargo soon. https://youtu.be/B2LLB9CGfLs?feature=shared
No remember.
Well, if we’re gonna talk turkey here, I say “A November to Dismember.” Catchy, no?
No.
I think you have to have “high prices” tacked onto that in a different font. And you decorate with horror monsters and horror heroes/survivors hacking apart the price tags to emphasize the “Dismember” part.
November to Know better, than to pay over msrp, still workshopping.
Olives, strangely they pass as horse dovers around my family, and it’s the only time of year I think, hey that looks good I’ll just eat a bunch of those. Pimento or black, either or, if black preferably without the pits, thanks for asking.
Black Olives Matter?
November sales catch phrase? Man I got nothing.
Thanksgiving eating? I’m in it for the pie.
André 3000’s new album? Pitchfork classifies New Blue Sun as “Rap / Experimental.” This is an album with no lyrics, no beats and to my ears no hooks. As of this writing, I’m only halfway through so maybe it veers off into Hey Ya! land.
Pitchfork threw rap on there because it’s Andre 3000. Experimental, maybe. I’ve heard it called ambient, but I think it’s new age and/or light jazz.
Of course, genres are a bit tricky, since everyone takes inspiration from multiple sources, so your mileage may vary. But Pitchfork can get out of here with throwing a rap label on it just because of who made it.
I wish y’all would quit telling us that “building cars is hard” when AITEKX has clearly shown us that it’s possible using nothing more than a Sawzall and a Black and Decker cordless screwdriver.
November to render lenders a December to remember in splendor.
November’s New Debtor Exract-A-Ganza!
November to be Member
(A parody for purposes of an Autopian membership drive)
As someone in Canada and my boyfriend is out of town, I have nothing to look forward to in the culinary department.*
*I’m not exactly going to put EFFORT into cooking if I’m the only one there.
On the car front I actually saw a Blazer EV on the weekend! Ultium stuff does exist!
No purchase November
Anything but Black Friday (colorful cars on special)
November to Dismember High Prices (horror-themed sales)
Eat it (Eat it), eat it (Eat it)
If it’s getting cold, reheat it
Have a big dinner, have a light snack
If you don’t like it, you can’t send it back
Just eat it (Ooh-hoo, eat it), eat it (Eat it)
Get yourself an egg and beat it (Oh Lord)
Have some more turkey (Ooh-hoo), have some more pie (Ooh-hoo-hoo)
It doesn’t matter if it’s boiled or fried
Just eat it.
November to Go Under
No-ADMber (I’m honestly shocked it’s as high as 20% of cars still marked up above MSRP).
Some really nice stuff is dropping in price fast and I’m getting itchy.
Right? Luxury stuff has been hit HARD. I came across a certified 2021 Audi S4 with 30,000 miles, a squeaky clean Carfax, and nearly 3 full years of warranty for $36,000 the other day. I’ve also seen BMW 840i and M850i sedans in the high 40s/low 50s.
If you want a fast luxury car this is a good time to pounce.
I’m not even talking about used cars although you’re 100% correct there.
Z06s selling for $50-100k over sticker earlier this year are gathering cobwebs on dealer lots at $15-20k over. I was offered and passed on a car at $5k over last week because I think I can do better.
Bronco Raptors are out there at sticker now too.
Blackwings are at or below, even manual CT5s.
Normalcy is returning.
I’m seeing CT4V BWs and IS500s in the 50s now. I’m not going to strike anytime soon, but it does bode well for my super sedan future plans.
Out of curiosity, I glanced at a Blazer EV. There aren’t many to be had, but they’re back down to MSRP (and the dealers seem to be getting antsy to make the sale, so I think you could get a little money off if you try).
It begs the question of what actually is commanding over MSRP these days.
Toyota hybrids I imagine.
A few high end cars from people too lazy to shop around?
Mavericks?
What else?
Even Toyota hybrids are going for MSRP mostly. I only see markups on RAV4 Prime, Prius, and hybrid Sienna around here. The Crown and Camry have discounts, and the RAV4 goes for MSRP. Even the non-hybrid Mavericks have pretty much stopped with the markups.
Nature is healing.
Primes are over because the production volumes are small. Prius Prime for example is only 10,000 vehicles a year for the US, per interviews with their engineers. The reason is because of battery supply — Toyota can sell a lot more Priuses overall if they sell fewer Primes.
So since there’s fewer Primes than demand, there’s ADM or waits.
Yeah, and the Primes were already marked up before the whole market went weird. The regular Prius and hybrid Sienna are the ones that still need to settle down, and I think they will soon. The hype over the new Prius will fade and the hybrid Carnival is going to add just enough competition to the hybrid minivan segment to bring down the Sienna price.
What’s the latest with the Maverick situation? I still see precious few of them out there, and a friend recently finally gave up waiting on his order…
No idea as I’m not in the market and never have been for one, but it’s a vehicle I’ve heard has been pretty consistently tough to find at MSRP so I wondered if it still was.
Around here, you can find a gasser at MSRP sometimes, but dealers continue to mark up the hybrids unless you put in a factory order during the week Ford opened up orders. I put in an order, but I was frustrated by a couple changes they made (no heated wiper parks, no securicode), so I was primed to cancel it. The dealer received one that was set up close to what I wanted, but with a couple extras, like the sunroof. I asked if I could buy it at MSRP instead. Nope, $5000 markup for any of them that hit the lot for sale.
In other news, I’m now strongly considering the 2024 Tacoma instead, and a local dealer has assured me zero markups for locals.
Yikes. Sorry to hear that, and well, nobody ever went wrong with a Tacoma at least.
I just don’t get Ford’s big-picture thinking here. It created a vehicle that people want to buy and seemingly just at the right time when it really needs some good PR. You’d think it would want to get them into as many driveways as it could, like how it built up the F-150 loyalty over the years…
Ford is really struggling to keep dealers in line, and not making enough of things really doesn’t help. I suspect they thought dealers could upsell into a Ranger some of the time and put people into the SUVs enough to mitigate this.
Instead, the dealerships figured they could make a quick buck. And you know some of the same dealerships raking in the ADM money are the ones that complained about being required to put in charging equipment to sell EVs.
That’s a good perspective. I wonder if the dealerships are sensing the coming of the end of the previous, decades-long business model, so less interested in the long-term, and more focused on making money NOW.
This. I think Ford and their dealerships expected to be able to upsell a Ranger or even F150 to most potential Maverick buyers but they wound up creating an entirely new market segment. I’d venture a guess that probably 3/4s of people looking at a Maverick want a Maverick specifically, particularly when it comes to the hybrid. They can maybe be talked into a gas one but that’s likely as far as they’ll go.
Ford, as always, has fumbled terribly as a result. They created an amazing and game changing car…and now they and their dealerships are having a tantrum because people actually want the cheap one and don’t want to be talked into a brodozer financed at 14% APR over 84 months.
I know a few Maverick owners and you hit the nail on the head. They would never buy a Ranger or an F150.
To be fair, the Z06s will have no ADM soon enough. They always do. Eventually you’ll be able to get 5-6% off from any dealer that sells them in numbers. Moreover, there’s always too many people willing to pay over for Corvettes when they’re new, at least since the C5. Remember, people paid over for PT Cruisers, which were mass-market, high volume proto-crossovers!
Just take a look at history. I couldn’t ever pay MSRP for a Z06 with a straight face. Just be patient and very picky on the used market — the color you want, the options you want, PPFd and prepped the way you would’ve done it, with a thorough PPI so you know what you need to do to get it to like new (not for a discount, but to understand you total cost).
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Outside of old actually rare stuff, Corvettes aren’t blue chip cars, so let someone else take the hit and end up in the same place for less money.
I like buying new, especially in performance cars, and I find the MSRP of the Z06 to be pretty fair for the performance on offer. I’m under no illusions that it will hold its value like say, my Viper has. Far too common as you said.
After seeing the pricing trend lately though, there’s not a chance in hell I’d pay over now. Dealers are starting to figure it out.
I suggest reconsidering your stance on a C8 Z06. Let me explain why.
There are a lot of Corvette buyers in the past 5-10 years who saved forever, drove nothing exciting for the past 30-40 years, and their last Corvette experience was an emission control choked late C3. They have memories of how “fast” that C3 was to them back then, tinted with decades of nostalgia, and overlook the numb nothingness they’ve driven for 30-40 years since.
They go all out on finally getting a Corvette. They order a Z06 or ZR1, go maximum performance spec, etc. No expense spared. They take delivery, get it paint corrected, a full XPEL Ultimate install (damn near $10,000 on a C8 Z06 with Z07 package), diligently follow break-in procedures to a T, etc.
Then they finally open up the taps, and scare themselves shitless. They may even have had a moment with it. They immediately realize they bought way too much car, they aren’t ready for it, and are terrified they’re just going to wreck it (for the ones who yet didn’t). This is not their cousin’s friend’s choked late C3. This is a car that absolutely can kill them.
Then it sits. A lot. It goes out on super nice days to toodle around just as they would in their Honda Pilot, but that’s it. The dream is dead.
That story plays out a LOT since the C6 in particular. It doesn’t help that Corvettes tend to clam up on the communication front when you get to 8/10ths and beyond (main reason I went Porsche). Though where you benefit is you get a perfect, broken-in, babied, well-specced Corvette Z06 for a good discount. You do a thorough PPI and the mechanic tells you it’s literally perfect. Yet in the end, the man with the broken dream still lets it go for a healthy discount.
I’ve watched this play out a ton. You have to be patient, but the good news is they build enough Corvettes where you’re not always dealing with the, “two people in the room” problem with RS Porsches. You get the exact Corvette you wanted, that’s perfect, for a very healthy discount. On a C8 Z06? Even with $12K of paint correction and PPF, likely a $30-50K discount, which buys a lot of pro driving instruction, track days, and tires.
The C6 is one of the best performance bargains out there on the used market. I just wish it were smaller and lighter…
November to notarize.
Notorious November
Know-what-I-got November
I was going to suggest something extremely boring like “Movember” or “Move Metal vember” but I like yours better, lol. I could also get behind “High Prices Mean No-vember”
Or as someone posted in a previous article, every month is truck month: Truckvember
November is Trucktober 2: Truck Harder
…So if you want a new car, then darlin’ don’t refrain,
Or you’ll just end up walkin’ in the cold November rain.
Do you need a car, of your own?
Do you need to drive, all alone?
Ooooh, don’tcha know you need a car, of your own?
Mmmmm, everybody needs to drive, all alone…
I hate you for making me think of that song. Paradise City and Welcome To The Jungle are the only GnR songs I actually like.
You Could Be Mine is just okay. November Rain is overwrought.
The overwrought-ness is what I love about it.
GNR is firmly in the “they’re definitely good but I don’t get why they’re this venerated” category for me. They have some great songs (Sweet Child O Mine, Welcome To The Jungle, My Michelle) but they also have a lot of absolutely terrible, overwrought, corny, borderline unlistenable songs. I’ve never really understood why they seem to be considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time.
I can’t even get through November Rain, Patience, Civil War, etc. without laughing. They’re just so pretentious sounding to me and when your frontman is Axl goddamn Rose you don’t really have any business pretending to be serious. Just make the sleazy, grimy, fast paced stuff you’re good at.
Also I’m going to say it…I think Slash is a monumentally overrated guitar player. He’s come up with maybe 3-5 memorable solos and at least two of them are on that one Velvet Revolver record. The 80s were absolutely loaded with innovative guitarists…EVH, Randy Rhoads, Jake E Lee, MARTY MOTHERFUCKING FRIEDMAN, the over the top instrumental shredders like Yngwie, Michael Angelo Batio, it’s a long list.
…and we’re still obsessed with a guitar who was basically Clapton but faster and heavier? Why?!
“I’ve never really understood why they seem to be considered one of the greatest rock bands of all time”
They’re no Danger Kitty, that’s for sure. Love Rocket was epic!
(For the young’uns):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RTElVMAsyDI
Ok respect for the Marty shout out. That li’l dude is incredible.
Appetite for Destruction is a banger from start to finish. Everything else they’ve done since has been pretty crap.
I feel like I could tolerate the local car dealer ads using this song so much better than the BTO songs that were in every commercial 15 years ago. I still can’t hear “You ain’t seen nothin’ yet” without expecting to be told of the amazing deals at the “Local Dealer” Toyota store.
Awesome…Thanks! My favorite song from my all time favorite band!
(It’s personal and ingrained in me just like a huge variety of music)
Everything. Every Thanksgiving, I make sure there are no leftovers. I’m also glad I don’t have to leave home the day after, as I have past horror stories on that subject.
I love the feeling of finishing everything off and just laying in bed with distended insides assimilating all of that raw material. Usually I’ll read books or internet articles. Bliss.
But… That makes you less aerodynamic!
I’m about 140 lbs at 5’10” height. Plenty slippery. The wait gain for me is always temporary.
When I was a kid, I used to hate my grandmother for dragging me with her to shop for Christmas the day after. Not only was walking around a mall all day with tens of pounds of matter cramming my insides painful and the constant gas trail following me awkward, but I was having to rush to a restroom every hour or so of shopping to spend 15+ minutes sitting there sounding like a bilge pump, usually with a crowd of people waiting for me to avail the stall I was in, all because of the previous day’s consumption.
Any employer that makes someone work at an office or other place of employment the day after is a damned demon.
Home is the best place to be the day after. Toilet paper, bent coat hangar and plunger are at the ready.
Uhhh
INSENSITIVE, GROSS HUMOR WARNING!
sounds like you are in a state that outlawed abortions.
Take your upvote because that was hysterically funny.
Glad it wasn’t too distasteful, my fellow micro-EV evangelist!
The November’s for Big Spenders sales event is happening now at your local Lexus dealer!
I like it.
What? That’s like 90% of the pbi of my country wth
Granted, my country is tiny, but still
Yeah, but it’s only like 0.2% of US GDP for the year
Sometimes I forget how insignificant we are, thanks for reminding me
Meh, you’re probably not completely hated by like 90% of the world, which must be pretty nice
Unless you’re from Russia or something, 90% of the world doesn’t hate you.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/06/27/overall-opinion-of-the-u-s/#:~:text=Views%20of%20the%20U.S.%20are,30%25%20have%20an%20unfavorable%20view.
2 Take aways from that. 1 – Damn, the Polish are really on board with the US. They like us more than we like us.
2 – I went to the Pew Research website, and I got POLLED ABOUT HOW GOOD THE INFORMATION WAS! It made me laugh because I wasn’t expecting it, but it seems so obvious in retrospect. Of course the leading poll taking group will poll anyone they can get their hands on 😀
Well yeah. Who do you think is keeping Russia from rolling in like its 1939?
Nice to see 74% of distressed Nigerian princes and finance minister widows have a favorable opinion of the US.
They better, what with all the money our grandparents have sent them!
I thought they were sending their money to “Billy” calling from jail.
With amazing AI voice-mimicking software coming online, that problem is about to get much much worse.
Seriously, this is the scary one. I read a story recently about someone who got scammed because an AI voice mimick imitated his young daughter. The scammer presented themselves as a kidnapper, demanded a ransom, and used the AI to scream for help. This instantly shut down all the guys mental defenses and induced true real panic. He paid. A little later his daughter came home from school. She had had a totally normal day.
Sounds like a call for the FBI. Kidnappings are their pervue.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/virtual-kidnapping
Purview
Damn spell check!
Only if you believe the story AND know how to properly answer coded questions AND its someone you would actually want to help.
A few years ago I got an email from my ex boss’s hacked account saying she was being held in an eastern European prison and they needed me to send bail right away. I told them to let the heinous bitch rot. We both got a good laugh out of that one.
My grandpa was so proud of himself for how he handled one of these. They told him his grandson was in jail and needed money for bail. He told them I could rot in there and he wasn’t going to bail me out of trouble I got myself into. He told me that story several times, grinning like crazy each time. I don’t think they told him which grandson, but he told it like it was me.
My MIL has gotten several of those calls. She’s learned how to string them along for quite a while figuring if she’s got them hooked they won’t be bothering anyone else.
At some point I want to figure out how to transfer those calls to a “Lenny”:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/d3b7na/the-story-of-lenny-the-internets-favorite-telemarketing-troll
Ideally Lenny would collect the account info the funds are supposed to be transferred to and string the process along after the info was sent to the FBI, Interpol and other organizations who have the resources to take these jerks down. Maybe they can’t do much about the jerks in Bulgaria but they can against the ones in Canada and perhaps Mexico.
I did the same thing- someone called claiming to be my granddaughter needing bail, I’m in my mid 30s and don’t have a kid (as far as I know), let alone a grandkid – I said maybe some jail time is exactly what you need to teach you to stop being such a filthy whore, and they hung up