Welcome back! Well, as far as I can tell, the sun came back after the eclipse, and the world didn’t end, so let’s check out some more cars. Today we’re looking at vehicles with small but loyal followings, both capable of efficiently hauling a bunch of stuff.
It appears you all are even less fans of the later-generation Mitsubishi Eclipses than I thought. The response from yesterday’s matchup was underwhelming at best. I get it; it’s like when someone says they’re going to play a Van Halen record and they put this on. But what can I do? If I picked good Eclipses, you’d all complain about the prices.
Anyway, for what it’s worth, I’d take the red GT between these two. That white one just has too many questions. The only thing that makes me consider it is that it’s a four-cylinder; I am not a fan of working on transverse V6s.
So let’s see what you think of today’s choices. One is Volkswagen’s attempt at undercutting the Japanese and Korean economy cars of the late ’80s, and the other is Honda’s attempt to be hip and modern. And you’ll be happy to hear that, today, there isn’t an automatic transmission in sight.
1989 Volkswagen Fox GL wagon – $5,200
Engine/drivetrain: 1.8 liter overhead cam inline 4, four- or five-speed manual, FWD
Location: McKeesport, PA
Odometer reading: 160,000 miles
Operational status: “Would not hesitate to drive anywhere”
With all the small inexpensive cars dying off these days, it’s hard to remember a time when automakers were actually fighting over the bottom of the market, so much so that they would introduce new models below the vehicles already in their lineups. Sometimes these cars were just de-contented versions of the old model sold alongside the new one, as was the case with Chrysler’s “America” versions of the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon. But in the case of Volkswagen, a global company with different models sold all over the world, it meant bringing a new cheaper car to the US from somewhere else.
The Volkswagen Fox, introduced in 1987, was meant as a bargain-basement competitor to subcompacts like the Toyota Tercel and Nissan Sentra, as well as the dirt-cheap Hyundai Excel. The Fox was built in Brazil, and was a modified version of the VW Gol. In the grand tradition of weird-ass Brazilian VWs, the Gol was sold with both the Beetle-style air-cooled flat-four, and the Passat-style water-cooled inline four, both mounted in the extreme front of the car and driving the front wheels.
The US-model Fox only received the water-cooled engine, the same 1.8 liter unit that was standard in the Golf and Jetta, but mounted longitudinally. Possibly to its detriment in the sales race, the Fox was never available with an automatic; you could get a manual with four forward gears, or five. We don’t know which gearbox this Fox GL wagon has, but we are told that its owner has eschewed the finicky Bosch CIS fuel injection system for a carburetor. They say it runs beautifully and has made many successful road trips.
The seller has made some modifications that aren’t to my taste, like the white gauge faces, though I do like the aftermarket steering wheel. The outside is like Old European Car Bingo: round driving lights – check. Roof rack – check. German license plate in front – check, which makes me wonder if the seller knows this car isn’t really German. Oh well; at least it isn’t “stanced.”
2005 Honda Element EX – $4,500
Engine/drivetrain: 2.4 liter dual overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, AWD
Location: Monroe, WA
Odometer reading: 242,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
Beloved of dog owners everywhere, the Honda Element was one of a few different “weird lifestyley cars” introduced in the late 90s/early 2000s, along with the Pontiac Aztek and Isuzu VehiCROSS. Like those, the Element was based on a more ordinary car’s platform, in this case the Honda CR-V. It features clamshell-style doors on both sides, water-resistant interior materials, and oddball gray plastic fenders and fascias. At least, most of them had gray; some silver Elements, like this one, had the plastic panels in blue.
The Element was available with either front-wheel-drive or Honda’s “Real Time” all-wheel-drive, and either a manual or an automatic transmission. This one happens to be the best combination: AWD with a manual. The shifter on manual Elements is weird; it comes out of a protrusion on the center stack of the dashboard, and kind of looks like a video game joystick, or something used to control a forklift.
This one has a lot of miles on it – 242,000 – but I also think I see a tow-bar mount, so not all those miles may have been under its own power. Regardless, it runs well, and has a new clutch. It’s nice and clean both outside and in, and importantly for a Honda, rust-free.
I’ve always liked the Element. A good friend of mine bought one when they first came out, and it served him well for many years. There are two things I remember from riding around in it: First, the rear seat sits really high, much higher than the front seats, and it makes it feel tippy around corners, and second, you have to plan your egress carefully and wait for the front-seat occupants to clear the side of the car before you open the rear door, or else you’ll both get trapped in the space between the doors.
Both of these cars did OK in sales, but not great, and these days they’re both looked after by a small (very small, in the case of the Fox) but loyal group of fans. But unlike some other forgotten oddballs, these are both useful, practical cars. Which one is your choice?
(Image credits: Fox – Facebook Marketplace seller, Element – Craigslist seller)
Tonight the sky’s the limit
I got some money and I wanna spend it
It’s Saturday night and I wanna play
I’m gonna groove till the break of day
Now look a here
I’m looking for a fox
I’m looking for a fox
I’m looking for a fox
I’m a VAG fanboi, and that Fox looks like a Polo stretched even further, so that’s clear win for me. I’ve never seen any of the Brazilian VW’s on this side of the Atlantic, so they’re all forbidden fruit.
All other things being equal, I’d vote both. But….couldn’t register the VW in my state because of the mods. I always thought the Element was quirky in a good way, but my wife hated it. We ended up with a manual VUE instead, which was a great car that served us well for a dozen years before we sold it to a friend whose college kid needed a good car.
Element because it does so many things well, is good looking and a manual. I’m tempted by the Fox because I haven’t seen one in thirty years, but I know you, VW, and you’re not to be trusted. A Lancia HPE, on the other hand, I would throw caution to the wind.
I’m a longtime Volkswagen guy, but manual Element.
I do wonder if the Fox has had the exhaust manifold upgraded to eliminate the restrict
or that VW put in there to choke down the 1.8 so that the lighter Fox wouldn’t out perform the identically engined but heavier Golf and Jetta.First that Honda is better built, looking, reliable, dependable and has many more miles ahead just on average while that VW is living on borrowed time and wanting premium price for base service.
Now Vehicross built on a ordinary car frame? Now I am no Vehicross expert. Just drove one for 22 years from New to dead, about 145,000 test miles but I believe it and it’s Trooper 4 door counter part are body on frame truck examples.
tempted to go buy that element even though I have no need for it.
You’re damn right I’m taking that Honda in my favorite color combo for the car.
The Civic SI of that era did this, too, and that placement of the shifter on the dash lingered on some Hondas (probably all automatics by the end) until the most recent generation.
I feel like I’ve already praised Elements too often in my life, but Element all the way. Obviously.
I’ve got a 2009 Element and its great for everything that my Miata doesn’t do well. Dog approved.
“it’s like when someone says they’re going to play a Van Halen record and they put this on.”
C’mon, that’s at least Van Hagar – it could have been Gary Cherone (and I say that as a legit fan of Extreme) or David Lee Roth Redux.