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‘We’re Out Here For The Middle Class, Not Just Autoworkers’ Says Striking Worker As UAW Marches On

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Just to clarify, you don’t have to be a Member of Congress to be the Speaker of the House. So, if I’m not doing The Morning Dump tomorrow, there’s a decent chance that I’ve been elected the new Speaker of the House. First order of business: Get rid of the 25-year import ban. Ok, real first order of business: rid of the Designated Hitter position in baseball (If Shohei Ohtani can hit it, every pitcher should!). Second order of business: Get rid of the 25-year import ban. Actually, the second order of business: pass a budget… that includes the repeal of the 25-year import ban. I’m good at this!

Speaking of good-at-this, there’s a great story this morning that highlights some of the views and attitudes of striking United Auto Workers I want to highlight. I’ll follow that up with Ford’s counterproposal to the UAW, because the automaker has moved a decent amount in the last few weeks.

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All of this strike business is happening right as the automotive market in the United States is finally starting to return to where it should be after years of strife. Is that bad timing for some or bad timing for everyone?

“There are no days off when you’re fighting for your survival”

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When covering a strike it’s important to talk to union leadership, of course, but it’s also just as key to hear from the workers on the line. The seed of this current flowering strike was planted when the former UAW leadership essentially ignored the average worker and made what many viewed as sweetheart backroom deals. Whatever you think of current UAW President Shawn Fain’s actual intentions (the average Big 3 C-suiter, at this point, seems to view him as the chaotic Joker played by Heath Ledger in the Nolan Batman flicks), he has repeatedly expressed that he’s merely an instrument of the people.

So let’s listen to some people.

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The Detroit Free Press‘s Phoebe Wall Howard went out to the lines in the middle of the night to file this report: “For striking UAW workers, picket line feels different in the middle of the night.

There’s a lot here:

“There are no days off when you’re fighting for your survival,” Brandon Clark, 38, who works as a “switcher,” driving a products truck in and out of docks at the site near Port Huron, told the Detroit Free Press.

“We’re out here for the middle class, not just autoworkers,” said the Eastpointe man. “We’re here so everybody can have a fair share of the American pie.”

And

“I tell my daughter we’re fighting for a better America,” said Anthony Theeuwes, 52, of Port Huron. As a temporary worker for nearly three years, he earns $17.53 lifting car parts such as doors and tailgates. The strike allows him to walk Esme to second grade these days.

“We’re waiting for a contract and hoping for the best,” he said. “I was a breakfast cook at Mama Vicki’s Coney Island (North) for 20 years. They paid more, plus benefits. They took good care of me. I thought coming to this job would be a good opportunity.”

I love the extremely Detroit clarification in that quote that he worked for Mama Vicki’s Coney Island North.

The bit about Theeuwes laboring as a temp worker for three years lifting heavy car parts is absolutely no surprise.

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There’s long been a bi-partisan effort in this country to herald the blue-collar plant worker as a paragon of the American working class when it’s electorally convenient. They are largely portrayed as bearded men in John Deere hats, who work hard during the week and pray hard on the weekend. Yet, through slightly more partisan efforts, those same workers are suddenly lazy and spoiled when they ask for what they view as their fair share. Weird!

There are about 400,000 UAW members in the United States out of about 135 million full-time working Americans. That’s a tiny percentage overall, but union workers seem to think that raising wages for themselves will result in better pay for everyone else (there’s evidence that this is the case).

I liked this story. I think you should read it. Also, I thought this tweet from a radio show that the reporter was on was interesting:

Ford’s Big Counter Offer

Here’s a little graphic showing what Ford just shared with the UAW:

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Look at all those checkmarks!

This does seem to come much closer to what autoworkers have seemingly asked for in their various requests and the bit about “No job loss due to EV battery plants” is interesting, and the enforcement mechanism for that will be interesting to see.

With this, Ford also sent out this note about the impact of the strike:

Our production system is highly interconnected, which means the UAW’s targeted strike strategy has knock-on effects for facilities that are not directly targeted for a work stoppage. In this case, the strike at Chicago Assembly Plant has directly impacted some operations at Chicago Stamping Plant and Lima Engine Plant. Approximately 330 employees have been asked not to report to work, with layoffs taking effect beginning Sept. 30 at Chicago Stamping Plant and Oct. 2 at Lima Engine Plant.

Liz Door, Ford’s Chief Supply Chain Officer (from Ford’s media briefing Friday, Sept. 29)

“We understand to date there are about 2,400 supplier employees that have been laid off. But as a consequence of the actions today, we see this two-week inflection point. We have roughly 125,000 supplier employees that support our Michigan Assembly Plant. And if prolonged, this really could have a significant impact as it extends into our other Ford factories. We see anywhere between 325,000 to 500,000 employees that could be laid off.”

Carrot and stick.

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It’s Good To Be Just About Everyone That Isn’t Stellantis

2023 Jeep® Gladiator Rubicon
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In addition to the Kia Carnival, the rest of the car market pretty much had a great third quarter (we’re still waiting on a few to report). GM was up 21.2% year-over-year, Honda was up 52.7%, and even Mitsubishi was up 32.3% over the same period. This makes sense as these automakers suddenly have products to sell and fleet sales are finally starting to return.

The third quarter did suck ass for one automaker, though, and that automaker was Stellantis. While Chrysler was up (95.8%!) and Maserati saw a big jump (38%!), the rest of the portfolio shrank. Let’s go through the brands and roast them:

  • Dodge (-22.7%): Just rebadged Alfas now, and not even the good ones
  • Alfa Romeo (-16.0%): Needs to bring back the MiTo
  • Fiat (-30.3%): Who are the 145 people who actually bought Fiats?
  • Jeep (-4.2%): Too many overbuilt, underbaked crossovers
  • RAM (-3.5%): The Ram 1500 is a good truck, but what we really want is a weird little Maverick-like Fiat-based thing, sorry-not-sorry

In the short term, the strike is maybe…less bad (?) for Stellantis because why should they even keep making cars that the market doesn’t appear to be in love with? If automakers like Toyota and Honda have the hardware and can jump in and offer good deals to conquest buyers then the strike might be temporarily good for the car market, but the last thing that consumers need over the long-term is a return to restricted inventory.

Ram Recalls 273k Trucks Over Weird Camera Issue

Ram 1500 Classic
Photo: Stellantis

Modern vehicles are complex and one little bit of complexity that is now mandatory is a backup camera. This actually makes a ton of sense and it’s the one piece of technology I’d like to add back to my older BMW.

It’s useful! Unless you have one of the nearly 273,000 trucks built by RAM because the radio software might prevent the rearview backup camera from being shown. Oops. The recall covers  022-2023 Ram 1500, Ram 3500 Cab Chassis with GVWR less than 10,000 lbs., and 2022-2024 Ram 2500 vehicles.

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The good news is that this is just a software update and should be able to be carried out by dealers, free of charge.

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TXJeepGuy
TXJeepGuy
1 year ago

The Grand Cherokee got that same recall about a month ago. Safe bet that its all UConnect equipped cars…

CopperFireMist
CopperFireMist
1 year ago
Reply to  TXJeepGuy

UConnect is utter garbage!

TXJeepGuy
TXJeepGuy
1 year ago
Reply to  CopperFireMist

Yet sadly, still works better than a LOT of other systems.

Jb996
Jb996
1 year ago

“there’s a decent chance that I’ve been elected the new Speaker of the House”… “I’m good at this.”

You would be good at that.
So would ANYONE else who isn’t a power-hungry narcissus with severe mental disabilities that preclude them from all employment opportunities other than politician.
[And I’m describing ALL politicians here, my distain for politicians has no party affiliation.]

EDIT: Unfortunately, it seems that the only way to get elected is to BE a power-hungry narcissus with mental disabilities. There’s the catch-22 of our government. 🙁

Last edited 1 year ago by Jb996
Goof
Goof
1 year ago

…the continued existence of the Fiat 500L…

Great, now I remember it exists. My whole week is ruined!

Jason Roth
Jason Roth
1 year ago

Matt is now officially my favorite Autopian writer, at least until we get statements from Torch et al on their positions on the DH.

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason Roth

I don’t get the impression Torch or David are sportsball enthusiasts. I suspect David would think DH refers to an obscure options package on a ’90s Jeep. I’m not sure I even want to know what Torch would come up with for the meaning of DH.

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Huh. I didn’t figure David for a baseball fan. I think I am going to side with David on the DH rule, although if I had my way DH would still be an AL rule only.

Any word on Torch’s stance on this extremely important issue?

Lokki
Lokki
1 year ago

It’s going to take a while before the Car Makers even notice there’s a strike on:

“All domestic brands but two had supply above the industry average at the start of September. Cadillac had the lowest inventory of all domestic brands, with a days’ supply of 46. Chevrolet, with a days’ supply of 52, was the only other domestic brand with below-average supply. With its affordable mid-$20,000 price, the new Chevrolet Trax is in extremely short supply at 21 days.
As has been the case all year, Stellantis, which some experts predict could be the UAW’s target, has bloated inventories. Dodge brand has the most at 136 days’ supply, followed by Chrysler at 125. Ram has 115 days’ supply. Jeep is at 95 days’ supply.

Note that these figures include cars. Where the Big 3 has its real volume business is in Trucks:

The Ram 1500 has a 107 days’ supply, followed by the Ford F-150 at 98 days’ supply. The Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra had a supply of 81 and 79 days, respectively.”
https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/new-vehicle-inventory-august-2023/

At the same time sales are slow because of high interest rates so those ‘days of supply figures may actually be higher than they would appear.

A question that I can’t answer and would be curious to hear opinions on is (noting that only the Big 3 are on strike) how many customers might consider moving to a “foreign” non-Big-3 vehicle?

Racer Esq.
Racer Esq.
1 year ago
Reply to  Lokki

I’ve purchased 3 Fords and Chevy new since 2012, after the 2009 restructures made the big-3 a lot more competitive, but I’ll go back to the Japanese or go to Hyundai really quick if the big-3 can’t maintain their value proposition (especially factoring in how much below MSRP big-3 cars sell at). Brand loyalty is dead (except for maybe Tesla of all companies) and so is the idea of not buying “foreign” cars. I see the most pro-America bumper stickers on Tundras.

Angel "the Cobra" Martin
Angel "the Cobra" Martin
1 year ago

Get rid of the DH? Who wants to watch a pitcher not named Ohtani hit.

Geoffrey Reuther
Geoffrey Reuther
1 year ago

I’m just surprised that when Randy Johnson was a D-back he didn’t accidentally kill a pigeon with a bat, too.

PresterJohn
PresterJohn
1 year ago

Being against the DH is being anti labor (the DH allows for both longer careers and a greater number of viable careers), and given the rest of the article we wouldn’t want that now would we?

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 year ago
Reply to  PresterJohn

I’m OK with the DH, I just think the other team should decide who your DH is in any given game.

Jalop Gold
Jalop Gold
1 year ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

That would be awesome

Man With A Reliable Jeep
Man With A Reliable Jeep
1 year ago

I’m left with a couple thoughts after glancing at Ford’s “Record Contract Checkmark List.”

1.) Wow, temporary workers can now make as much as an entry level McDonald’s employee. Neat.

2.) It mentions conversion of all temporary workers with at least 3+ months of continuous service upon ratification of the contract, but…conveniently, mention of a defined path forward for future temporary workers is absent.

Geoffrey Reuther
Geoffrey Reuther
1 year ago

There’s a mom-and-pop burger stand chain where I live (operationally, think McDonalds in the 50’s) that pays $20/hr to start. Plus fully paid health and dental insurance (and seriously discounted for spouse/children), scholarship opportunities, childcare assistance, 401k matching, and even PAID community service.

$17/hr is about what I was making at CompUSA in 2006 as a repair tech, which is WAY THE HELL EASIER THAN BUILDING A GODDAMNED CAR.

Ford be smoking some serious crack there.

Lokki
Lokki
1 year ago

To be honest, I don’t believe that you are correct in your opinion that being a computer repair tech is “easier work” than assembling a car. Perhaps in terms of physical effort, but not in terms of required preliminary theoretical training, analysis of problems, and independent action based on that analysis.

A mechanic does those things but an assembler does not.

The Auto Industry has literally been working for 50 years on reducing the role of the assembler. An assembler performs a limited number of prescribed operations repetitively. Those operations are decided for him withouth any input. Further those operations will require a small number of repetive steps and need no autonomous decision making capacity. Additionally, years of experience do no significantly increase the abilities of the worker; after about 4 years the assembler has reached the maximum of his skill levels. After that, each year he simply becomes a greater expense (through wage increases) to perform the same functions at the same speed. A computer repair tech expands his knowledge and usefulness as he gains experience, and that doesn’t ever stop during his career.

FWIW

Geoffrey Reuther
Geoffrey Reuther
1 year ago
Reply to  Lokki

…but not in terms of required preliminary theoretical training…

Preliminary theoretical training? … what?

A computer repair tech expands his knowledge and usefulness as he gains experience, and that doesn’t ever stop during his career

I really don’t know what you’re talking about here, but this is NOT a computer repair tech. Computer repair techs are barely trained monkeys.

I’m thinking you’re either grossly uninformed about what a computer tech actually does, or you’re mistaking them for much higher-end positions under the general IT umbrella that DO actually require training and upkeep.

But hey, what do I know? I’ve only spent 27 years in the field, 13 of them specifically as a repair tech.

Automotiveflux
Automotiveflux
1 year ago

Ford’s offer seems very generous as it stands, I think most people would have a hard time turning down a 20% wage increase alone…. and 6 figures after 4 years? that’s pretty darn good and outpaces most industries

Utherjorge
Utherjorge
1 year ago
Reply to  Automotiveflux

moar bootlickin’

Sivad Nayrb
Sivad Nayrb
1 year ago
Reply to  Utherjorge

^^^ moar meatpuppet sucking.

Utherjorge
Utherjorge
1 year ago
Reply to  Sivad Nayrb

awwww, look, the bootlickers have a toadie

super weird that another exact same initial post also had someone come into whine about my comment….I wonder why that is?

Jalop Gold
Jalop Gold
1 year ago
Reply to  Automotiveflux

Yep. That’s a pretty rational take. Even more so when you look at the cost of living where most of the factories are located, and see what the true buying power of those wages are.

To be honest; I think what out non-bootlicker friend truest wants and is unable to articulate is a cap on compensation for executives.

Automotiveflux
Automotiveflux
1 year ago
Reply to  Jalop Gold

I can agree with that, even tying it to the temp wage x10 or whatever seems fine to me.

As for bootlicking… i have no skin in this game, the Canadian union workers matter more to me and they already accepted a deal, no big battle needed.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 year ago

The temps issue is by far their biggest. Abuse of permatemps is the most prevalent and least well-known form of abuse. Microsoft got sued for this 30 years ago, but it seems to have been forgotten.

Also, it’s basically never a good idea to quit a permanent job for a temp job, though the restaurant industry does suck.

The UAW should ask for works councils, where they make up half the C-suite. Yes, half the board would be regular workers. Make the other half engineers. Make them make better cars that people actually want to buy. Nothing makes a business more sustainable than customers who love your product and keep coming back.

Pensions are outdated and a huge drag on everyone, plus they’re subject to raiding at any time. Even if they got really generous and offered a 10% match plus an additional 10% non-elective contribution (current is 5% for both), that might still end up being cheaper than maintaining a pension, while giving employees more money/benefit.

...getstoneyII
...getstoneyII
1 year ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

You are always writing about this, but it’ll never happen. Take Ford for example. Which one of the three Ford family members is gonna give up their seat to the plebes? It’s a noble idea on paper, but no company would (to quote Chris Tucker)”ever, ever ever” do that.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 year ago
Reply to  ...getstoneyII

Nobody actually has to give up their seat. They can just add more seats.
The board would be the people already on it plus (that same number of) people that work the labor jobs.

Lokki
Lokki
1 year ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

The Unions will decide which “ordinary workers” will sit at the board – the union is THE representative of employees and it alone decides who speaks for them in ANY capacity.

However I’m curious, what do you expect “regularJoe workers” would bring to the board? They almost by the definition of being ordinary workers won’t have an specialized skills in production processes, management, engineering, economics, marketing, or electronics.

I mean, what do you see as their role?

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 year ago
Reply to  Lokki

The workers themselves can decide who sits on the board. They’d hold elections just like they elect the union president as well as other union officials. Those union officials are elected. I know that’s only a recent thing for the UAW, but most other unions it’s always been that way.

They by definition have specialized skills in production process (they’re literally part of it), management (comes with experience), engineering (they learn to figure out what’s shitty), marketing (their input does help them make better cars, and better cars allow them to market something worth buying), and electronics (also a huge component of modern cars, and even more so on electric ones, and Fain is an electrician)

The Dude
The Dude
1 year ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Microsoft got sued for this 30 years ago, but it seems to have been forgotten.”

As someone that works in tech, I can promise you the impact of the lawsuit isn’t forgotten. Every company I’ve worked for had a 6 month cool down period before contractors could reapply for another contractor job at the company. One company even had a policy that contractors couldn’t work more than two contracts.

While specific policies were different, there was always some type of line we couldn’t cross, such as contractors not being invited to company parties, we couldn’t engage in career related discussions, etc.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
1 year ago

Hardigree, you’d have my vote for speaker.

Two things can be true: all of this is a sign of persistent, unresolved issues AND the world is trying to fix itself. I’m personally trying to focus on the second part.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Buchholz

I agree, focus on improving. “If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change” – Michael Jackson.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 year ago
Reply to  MATTinMKE

“If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change” – Michael Jackson.

Plastic surgery doesn’t count Michael.

...getstoneyII
...getstoneyII
1 year ago

Since there isn’t much more to be said about the strike, I’ll be happy to talk baseball:)

You gotta keep the DH. Ohtani is a once-in-a-century freak. Today’s pitchers absolutely can not hit an MLB pitch or even a college pitcher, in fact, most have not done batting practice since high school. Plus, it would shorten the careers of so many of this era’s greatest hitters. Look at Miguel Cabrera (who just retired at 40 as one of the greatest right-handed hitters in history) or Pujols who was raking up until his final season as examples. The DH is a good thing!

Last edited 1 year ago by ...getstoneyII
World24
World24
1 year ago

Dodge (-22.7%): Just rebadged Alfas now

The Durango called, it said its 23 & Me test came back as half German, half American, so it wants to know where someone got the idea it was Italian and is a child of Alfa Romeo’s?
Also: the 500X still exists. The L was dropped on our shores a while back.

“We’re out here for the middle class, not just autoworkers,” said the Eastpointe man. “We’re here so everybody can have a fair share of the American pie.”

Where do people get off saying they’re doing this for fellow Americans? Particularly when Americans that had no say in this strike are getting financially affected over this?
A lot of us gain nothing from that.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
1 year ago
Reply to  World24

Just because you don’t understand the value unions can provide the middle class, doesn’t mean the value isn’t there.

World24
World24
1 year ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

When the strike ends and I get better pay & a better economy from it, I’ll let you know when I value what the unions do.
Until I see any benefit from them, they’ll provide no value to me and they aren’t something I’ll be cheering for.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
1 year ago
Reply to  World24

World24: “If I don’t personally see an immediate direct benefit, then it doesn’t matter.”

Noted!

World24
World24
1 year ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

Putting words into people’s mouths just because they don’t bow down and agree to what someone else says or thinks isn’t a good thing.
If I said immediate, it’d be in my comment. With no edit history in my comment, it’s obvious that even I know it’s not like that.

Racer Esq.
Racer Esq.
1 year ago

It is a very interesting political landscape with the Republicans saying you should have a 4,000 sq ft house, a Suburban, an F150 and a boat if you are very talented and productive, the progressives saying nobody should have those things (ok, maybe you get a private jet if you are a climate change activist), and the UAW saying mediocre people should get those things. No wonder unions have a hard time finding a party.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
1 year ago
Reply to  Racer Esq.

What?

mtnJeep
mtnJeep
1 year ago
Reply to  Racer Esq.

OK Boomer

RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
1 year ago
Reply to  Racer Esq.

I can’t tell if this is serious or satire. But, I live in a deep red state where it seems like everyone has a large house, SUV, truck and a boat. Meanwhile, the local subreddit (very liberal group) moans about car dependence, overpriced housing and lack of public transit.

Toecutter
Toecutter
1 year ago

All of it is financed by debt. Without access to credit, people can afford startlingly little, partially the result of the current system of credit injecting more money into the system.

David Davison
David Davison
1 year ago
Reply to  Racer Esq.

I would argue that the Republicans are forgetting that talent and productive have a partner in luck ( Im not forgetting hard work, but luck is there ). Most progressives are saying that being too Darwinistic for the other 90% makes for a hard life and too much opportunity for revolution ( see France 1789, et al ), some degree of redistribution is in order. A bit of hyperbole, but the idea that there are only so many C level positions gets the idea across, I think. Someone has to take the toilet scrubbing jobs, and some level of acknowledging the necessity of that makes sense.
A thought, a company with workers and no C level people will go farther than a company with C level people and no workers.

Double Wide Harvey Park
Double Wide Harvey Park
1 year ago
Reply to  Racer Esq.

Huh? That’s not a straw man, it’s a fkn barn. Nobody says any of those things.

JDE
JDE
1 year ago

We does not mean me on the whole Maveranchero thing, but I do kind of wonder if some people actually are waiting around to see if the new inline six turbo replacing the hemi is the reason for the sale dip at Ram.

Paul B
Paul B
1 year ago

For the designated hitter: have the opposing team designate him.

Delta 88
Delta 88
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul B

No designation without representation!

Arch Duke Maxyenko
Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 year ago

Get rid of the DH.

Delta 88
Delta 88
1 year ago

Ok, real first order of business: rid of the Designated Hitter position in baseball

Counterpoint: no. That way Andrew McCutcheon can continue to be on my begrudgingly beloved Pirates

Jalop Gold
Jalop Gold
1 year ago
Reply to  Delta 88

Love Cutch! Go Buccos (but not ownership)

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
1 year ago

It’s Late Stage Capitalism bby! And it’s boring as hell! Now we have to create drama in our mundane comfortable lives by committing to a cult of personality, or listening to too many murder podcast with aspersions of being the next victim. This dystopia is just too boring. I have to fist fight my neighbor over grievance politics because the Machines that were promised can’t even make a salad well. Who knew the collapse would be so slow. Marx promised revolution, and all we got some dude using his political power to usurp the office space of co-worker.

Also legalize bat flips.

...getstoneyII
...getstoneyII
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Bat flips are not illegal, they might get you a fastball to the dome at the next at-bat, but it’s not something punishable by the umps. Shoot, even kids in the LLWS were doing them, lol.

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
1 year ago
Reply to  ...getstoneyII

I had a friend who did a bat flip in Arkansas, guy ended up serving 90 days in county jail. Legalize bat flips.

Chronometric
Chronometric
1 year ago

That Ford proposal looks pretty good from my uninvolved seat. If I were an automaker, I would offer pay raises, etc. but never reduce flexibility. If you can’t get rid of workers when the market changes fundamentally, you are boned.

Racer Esq.
Racer Esq.
1 year ago
Reply to  Chronometric

Even as is it will put Ford at a competitive disadvantage, but the UAW wants a 40% pay increase and a return to the kind of defined benefits pensions that are bankrupting state and local governments (and they have monopolies and force residents to pay taxes, people can choose not to buy a Ford).

Drew
Drew
1 year ago

Persistent unresolved issues. Make the pitchers bat.
(Consider these statements as related as you’d like.)

Last edited 1 year ago by Drew
Drew
Drew
1 year ago
Reply to  Drew

If explanation seems warranted, just look around and read the news for the first part and I don’t know enough about baseball to have any reasoning for the second part. I don’t actually believe the DH is a persistent unresolved issue. Hell, I really liked Edgar Martinez.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
1 year ago

I’m just waiting for the cell phone signal that zombiefies the vaccinated. I’m using that as an excuse to off a few annoying coworkers.

Skurdnee
Skurdnee
1 year ago

everything is fucked

V10omous
V10omous
1 year ago

Since you brought up baseball…

The Minnesota Twins ended the longest playoff losing streak in major sports history last night, so no amount of bad news or ridiculous quotes about fighting for survival when you have a $0 premium health care plan and a >20% raise offer on the table can change my sunny disposition today.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
1 year ago
Reply to  V10omous

I have $0 premiums and absolutely shit coverage. The premium isn’t everything.
Also if the 20% raise gets you up to local McDonalds wages, maybe it’s not big enough.

V10omous
V10omous
1 year ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

McDonalds workers make six figures after 4 years on the job???

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
1 year ago
Reply to  V10omous

It honestly shocks me that anyone would read an official statement from a massive corporation and just … believe it. You really, really think they have not already figured out how to further manipulate their own personnel practices to avoid that comp structure?

Starbucks offers a shitload of benefits too. Just check their website! They say it’s true!

V10omous
V10omous
1 year ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

I have no reason to believe or disbelieve it.

I know 20% raises and 0 premium health care are not common, and claiming one is fighting for survival when those are terms of the offer is not a good look.

Chronometric
Chronometric
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Chicks dig the long ball… Braves fan.

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