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Why Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, And Ram Vehicles May Never Be Cheaper Than They Are Right Now

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It’s been a rough few years for customers of the various Stellantis brands, and I’m not certain that’s going to improve in the foreseeable future. It’s also been a tough time for dealers and workers, who can expect its absurdly high “days on lot” figures to drop as Stellantis execs cut production and unfortunately lay off workers.

The big talk of the day is how Stellantis is cutting back, but this was inevitable to some degree as the company tries to fix its inventory issues. For workers, it’s bad news. For weary consumers, this might be a bit of good news as we could be reaching a key point in time where incentives and inventory are simultaneously high. Eventually, one of those has to give.

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And, eventually, Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares has to go. It wouldn’t be a Morning Dump if at least one of our stories didn’t have our favorite exec show up, right? The plan was to let Tavares run out his contract and depart in early 2026. Rumor has it that Tavares might be getting pushed out of the plane before it lands (metaphorically speaking), but at least it’ll come with the mother of all golden parachutes.

The grass is always greener on the other side, they say, but in the case of Stellantis v. Volkswagen that might be a little hopeful. Perhaps it’s better to say that the grass is a little less on fire on the other side. VW’s Q3 financials are bad. Real bad. Revenue wasn’t a complete miss but margins were in the toilet.

Sometimes low expectations are helpful. Sometimes it’s nice for the bar to be on the ground. Aston Martin also released its financials, and they’re better than people thought, which is to say they lost less money than analysts predicted.

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Take The Money And Run

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It’s time again for my favorite chart, via Cox Automotive/vAuto, which shows how many days worth of cars different dealers have on the lot. A healthy number is 60 days, the average is 68 days, and earlier this year every Stellantis brand was way, way above average. Ram has been so bad that Ram isn’t even on the chart.

There are two main variables that give you the number of selling days: supply and demand. If you’ve got a ton of cars but they’re selling super fast then it’ll stay low. For the last year, Stellantis has seemed intent on making these worse for its Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram dealers by both building a ton of uncompetitive cars and then refusing to give reasonable discounts on them even as much of the competition started dumping cash on the hood.

Dealers flipped out and now Stellantis is trying to address both problems simultaneously. First, Stellantis told its dealers it’ll provide more money to help move cars and, indeed, the company reportedly just added a bunch of cash for “conquest” buyers who want certain Dodge, Jeep, or Ram products. Specifically, Stellantis is targeting Ford buyers who come over to get a Durango, Wrangler, Grand Wagoneer/Wagoneer, Grand Cherokee, or Ram 1500 with an extra $2,000.

Incentives are always good for buyers, and they’d last forever if Stellantis kept pumping out vehicles. Understandably, that’s not going to happen according to The Detroit News:

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Stellantis NV continued to slash vehicle production and cut jobs in the United States this week, including at the automaker’s Detroit Assembly Complex where the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango SUVs are built.

Vehicle production at both the Mack and Jefferson sides of the east-side complex is paused this week, with workers temporarily laid off. Notices sent to workers said certain positions were still expected to report. Mack builds the Grand Cherokee, while Jefferson makes both the Grand Cherokee and Durango.

“Stellantis continues to take the necessary actions to align production with sales,” said a company statement sent by spokesperson Ann Marie Fortunate. “This includes making production adjustments at both Detroit Assembly Complex plants. The Company will continue to monitor the situation to assess whether further action is required.”

This follows other recent cutbacks. Hell, Chrysler only makes the Pacifica now, having ended 300 production. Obviously, this is a shame for workers at these facilities, even if the recent UAW contract helps preserve some of their income.

If you’re a consumer and you’ve been turned off by high prices and you’re interested in something from one of the traditional Chrysler brands then now might be the best time to act. Incentives are high as Stellantis wants to calm down dealers and the company is also rightsizing production, so there may be fewer cars on dealer lots eventually (these changes will take weeks to filter through the system).

Is Carlos Tavares Getting An Early Exit?

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Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares, pictured above, managed to survive a recent executive shakeup, albeit with the stated intention that he’d have to retire in a little over a year. This after rumors that Stellantis NV Chairman John Elkann was already looking for a replacement. Tavares was supposed to make it until 2026, but rumor has it that he might finally get to finish Finnegans Wake next year as he’ll be granted an early release from the company.

This rumor comes from the Italian news site Affaritaliani.it and it’s a whopper:

That Carlos Tavares is ready to hang up his CEO boots and leave the reins of Stellantis in 2026 is now known to everyone. The aim is to choose the new leader already in the first half of 2025, to ensure a smooth handover, whether it is internal or external. Yet voices very close to the world of the old Fiat tell Affaritaliani.it that Tavares could leave by the end of the year, with a mind-blowing severance package (the figure could even reach 100 million euros). And not only that. An “extra” severance package with shares or a stake in a premium brand of the group is also reportedly being evaluated. In short, a noteworthy exit strategy and in line with the salary that the Portuguese manager has pocketed up to now (23.5 million in 2023, ed.)

But it doesn’t end there. There are also rumors that the owner , John Elkann, is pushing to have Carlos Tavares leave Stellantis earlier than expected, on the advice of his lawyers, in light of a possible trial related to money laundering, offshore accounts and tax evasion in which the brothers Lapo and Ginevra would also be involved, after the investigation opened by their mother, Margherita Agnelli. A significant shake-up that could tamper not only with the leadership of the group, but also with the “delicate” family safe, Dicembre.

Sure. Honestly, if I were Tavares I’d love this rumor. What’s better than not having to be CEO of Stellantis anymore? Getting paid $100 million to not do the job (the Euro and USD are close enough). I’ve also heard a rumor that I’m being demoted to Assistant Publisher and being given $100 million as a bonus.

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Who would replace Tavares? People seem to think Renault’s Luca De Meo.

Volkswagen Is, Eh, It’s Not Great

Volkswagen Group’s Nine Month Results Impacted By Higher Fixed Costs And Restructuring Provisions

Not that I want to focus on bad news, but I’ve already said this week that it looked like Volkswagen might try something drastic to reverse its plunge, and it seems like this quarter’s financials might be decent pretext.

Revenues hit $85 billion, which is up a little from last year, but operating profit fell 42% compared to Q3 2023 to just $3.1 billion, which is an operating margin of 3.6%. That’s real bad and worse than expected. The chart above shows what the first nine months look like for the company and it’s dire.

From VW’s CFO Arno Antlitz:

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Our nine-month results reflect a challenging market environment and underline the importance of delivering on the performance programmes we have launched across the Group. Volkswagen Brand reported an operating margin of only two per cent after nine months. This highlights the urgent need for significant cost reductions and efficiency gains.

Our product momentum gives us confidence. A significantly improved order intake in Western Europe in Q3 year-on-year is testament to our strengthened product line-up, from combustion engine cars to hybrids and full-electric vehicles.

Excuse me, from what-to-what? Oh, right, VW is finally doing hybrids.

This is a bad look, and the only two groups making any sort of decent margin are the Sport Luxury brand group (Porsche, Lamborghini, Porsche Financial Services) and its TRATON Commercial Vehicles group. There is the Rivian investment to consider. Also, if you want to get conspiratorial, it would probably be better at this point for Volkswagen to make its numbers as terrible as possible if only as an excuse to take drastic action.

Aston Martin Is Not Doing As Poorly As You’d Have Guessed

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If you’re a Fernando Alonso fan you might have some mixed feelings about Aston Martin. The same might be true if you’re an investor. Don’t worry! Alonso is retiring and things might not be as bad as they once seemed for people with a financial stake in the company.

After hinting at a rough year due to sales in China and supply chain disruptions, the company released its Q3 numbers and, though not exactly rosy, they aren’t grim either. The company only lost about $16 million pre-tax in Q3, an improvement of 90% over last year.

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This is better than expected and the company belives things might turn around a bit:

Following the successful launch of the new Vantage and DBX707, with deliveries commencing as planned at the end of Q2 2024, performance in Q4 2024 will benefit from all next generation core models available in market including initial deliveries of the V12 flagship Vanquish. In addition, Valiant, the ultraexclusive Special, remains on track with the majority of deliveries expected by year end, concluding the current programme of Specials.

Good for them.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

Oh man. When Scottish band Garbage came out I was both a little scared and, because I was a 12-year-old boy, very excited when the video for “I’m Only Happy When It Rains” came on MTV so I could see Shirley Manson glower at me from a partially demo’d bathroom. Rewatching this video again I still get it.

The Big Question

What would Shirley Manson drive in 1995, when the self-titled Garbage album debuted? What would YOU drive if you had to buy a new car in 1995?

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Nick Thomas
Nick Thomas
45 minutes ago

I’m seriously considering getting a Pacifica PHEV–someone talk me off this ledge. Right now I drive a 2012 RAV4, with only 70K miles on it, so I certainly don’t need a new car, but I would really love a PHEV and I’ve seen some really nice hybrid Pacificas listed at like $36K. And I think that’s BEFORE the tax credit (could be wrong about that though). What’s a bro who loves PHEVs and sweet deals to do?

PlugInPA
PlugInPA
30 minutes ago
Reply to  Nick Thomas

I’m going to do the opposite. We love our Pacifica PHEV (2018). It is far from the world’s most reliable vehicle, but the problems don’t cost you anything because of the warranty. It’s an absolutely legendary group transport vehicle. Any time somebody new gets in it they are shocked how nice and comfortable it is.

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
56 minutes ago

If I had to buy a brand new car in 1995 I would have been walking or taking the bus. ’95 was about the poorest I ever was after I got out on my own. Almost anything would have been a huge step up from the Geo Metro I owned then.

Cody
Cody
1 hour ago

Garbage is an American band with a Scottish singer. The band was started by music producer Butch Vig, from Wisconsin.

Andrew Daisuke
Andrew Daisuke
55 minutes ago
Reply to  Cody

Butch Vig who famously produced Nirvana’s Nevermind.

MrLM002
MrLM002
1 hour ago

What would YOU drive if you had to buy a new car in 1995?

Dodge Ram Cummins 12v 4WD 5MT

I wanted to go with the 993 Turbo, but BOF vehicles with good ground clearance are my thing, and the opportunity to buy a new 12 valve would be too good to pass up. Would drive it into the ground.

If it was 97 instead I would have went with the S-10 EV

Last edited 1 hour ago by MrLM002
Andrew Daisuke
Andrew Daisuke
54 minutes ago
Reply to  MrLM002

had a ’96 12v 4×4 5MT ext cab 8′ bed. Wish I still had it.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
1 hour ago

Regarding Stellantis… they still haven’t done one thing they need to do… lower the sky-high MSRPs that were jacked up to ridiculous levels during the pandemic shortage.

“Who would replace Tavares? People seem to think Renault’s Luca De Meo.”

I would prefer if he was replaced by someone from the old Chrysler management org.

These Europeans don’t know that to do with the North American operations… which are the most profitable part of the corporate mess that is Stellantis.

“What would YOU drive if you had to buy a new car in 1995?”

Assuming I have the needs of today, it would have to be a practical, reliable daily driver in hatchback, wagon or small van form.

So the contenders would be (with US MSRPs):
-Ford Escort wagon MSRP: $12775
-Toyota Corolla wagon MSRP: $16527
-Eagle Summit DL Wagon: MSRP $15599
-Mitsu Expo LRV: $17894
-Honda Accord LX Wagon: $19840
-Saturn SW2 wagon: $13960
-Nissan Axxess – no US MSRP… wasn’t sold in the US in 1995… but WAS sold in Canada.

And of these, I’d probably go with the Saturn SW2 wagon. It had a manual with a DOHC 16V engine and dent-resistant plastic body panels

And I recall them being durable and reliable.

Note that there were other options that meet my criteria from Saab, Volvo and Audi… but they were all over $12,000 more compared to the Saturn SW2

Last edited 1 hour ago by Manwich Sandwich
Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
52 minutes ago

The other day I looked at all the major manufacturer website and I’ll admit that if I was in the market for a vehicle I would have discarded Stellantis right then. The MSRPs are all at least $2,000 higher than the competitor’s competing vehicle. If you don’t know they have incentives, the prices are crazy talk.

MrLM002
MrLM002
1 hour ago

with a mind-blowing severance package (the figure could even reach 100 million euros)

The conspiracy theory that just popped into my head:

What if the goal was to crash a company as quickly as possible while meeting contractual obligations to force them to fire him early so he could get the most money in the least amount of time via severance package?

Last edited 1 hour ago by MrLM002
Nathan
Nathan
2 hours ago

1995 Toyota Celica All-Trac

Kevin B Rhodes
Kevin B Rhodes
3 hours ago

New cars in 1995? If I was where I am in life today? Pretty easy – Saab 9000 Aero. Mercedes-Benz 320TE. Land Rover Disco I (I actually have a 1995 Disco I currently). BMW 530i. Last of the Alfa 164s. And on, and on, and on. I’d have been doing six-month leases to try them all.

Though I was still a poor in 1995. My daily driver was an ’87 Volvo 740GLE, and I had a beat to crap ’82 Volvo 245T that I was trying to get functional enough to drive. Gave up on that thing in ’96 and bought a ’91 245 and my Triumph Spitfire that I still have to this day.

Kevin B Rhodes
Kevin B Rhodes
3 hours ago

Hey VW, here’s a thought. Make a car I want to buy, and I will buy one from you. I’ve bought two brandy-new VWs in the past, and loved both of them. But today, they got NOTHING.

Easy-peasy really – long-roof GTI with actual buttons and gauges, not capacitive touch nonsense and screens, screens, screens. And make it not look derpy while you are at it (though with a decent interior and user interface, I could tolerate the MK8 GTI.

Jonee Eisen
Jonee Eisen
1 hour ago
Reply to  Kevin B Rhodes

I like my GLI. It’s pretty much the last of its kind. A (relatively) affordable sporty sedan with a manual transmission.

Panzycake
Panzycake
3 hours ago

My first car was a ’95 Camry, so I’d go for that. The big question is what Camry I would end up with. 2 door coupe, 4 door sedan, or 5 door wagon with double rear wipers? Manual or automatic? I4 or V6? LE with cloth seats, or XLE with leather, CD player, alloy wheels, and a sun roof? I miss it when cars actually had options.

Ben
Ben
3 hours ago

Discounts off overpriced vehicles does not mean they are suddenly a good deal. My WAG without any data to back it up is that the additional discounts Stellantis is providing will only get the prices down into the range where MSRP should have been in the first place. Unless the new CEO (not pictured above) magically makes their vehicles worth what they’re asking I’d still say wait if you’re in the market for a Stellantis. Although as someone who can’t keep an FCA vehicle on the road for the past three months because stuff keeps breaking, I’d probably advocate for buying from someone else, period.

Pisco Sour
Pisco Sour
3 hours ago

The only thing that’s keeping me from a Wrangler with 0% for 72 months is the fact that they don’t offer it in orange this year.

Eddie Wuncler
Eddie Wuncler
3 hours ago

There’s a listing for a new 2023 GT plus by me that somehow already has 4k miles. It is currently listed for 29k, like 10k off MSRP, and the kicker is the description starts with “Looking for a new car at an affordable price? This Dodge won’t be on the lot long!”

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
3 hours ago

Toyota MR2. Cause I missed out the first time.
And to the classifieds we go.

And Carlos deserves every lira he can weasel before he departs.
Morgan Fairchild is one expensive divorce.

And to take over the Stellantis shit show? Eddie Lampert.
Everything would be gone, asset wise in a month.
Perhaps Don Jr?

You and your damn questions Matt!

Last edited 3 hours ago by Col Lingus
Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
3 hours ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

Looks like Bob Nardelli is still around. He already ran Chrysler once!

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
4 hours ago

“Don’t worry! Alonso is retiring…” -MH

I’m not sure where you get your information, but this weekend in Mexico he said he was planning to see out his current two year contract and see what things look like in ’26 before making a decision.

Strangek
Strangek
1 hour ago

He retired from the race, maybe that’s where the confusion is?

Spikersaurusrex
Spikersaurusrex
1 hour ago
Reply to  Strangek

Oh, right, I didn’t think about that. MH might be referencing lap 15. Good thinking.

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
4 hours ago

You underestimate Stellantis’ ability to make even shittier cars in the future.
Unless you think it has no future.
And even then, the cars STILL not selling now will be even cheaper in the future.

Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
4 hours ago

Car shopping in 1995. Fantasy land – I’ll take a NSX and daily drive it for the next 30 years. But a 993 911 would be tempting too. More reasonable choices than the Ferrari 355 or 456 which were also awesome.

In the more “realistic” price range? MR-2 Turbo or Prelude Si.

A quick check of Pacifica prices doesn’t show a better deal than last time I checked about a month ago. If anything I am seeing fewer cars with $10k+ on the hood like last time. Not sure how cheap they’d have to get for me to roll the dice on a Pacifica AWD plus Mopar warranty.

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