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Why Don’t We Make Tires Like This Anymore, And Weird NASCAR Trivia: Cold Start

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My friend and Autopian contributor Emily Velasco seems to have fallen down a deep rabbit hole of old Los Angeles photos, and from deep within that hole she’s been tossing out some amazing old pictures of cars in LA, including the one you see above, which has a detail I’m sure you’ve already clocked, so let’s talk about this, because I think it’s fascinating.

What we’re looking at there is bandleader Paul Whiteman, of Paul Whiteman and his Orchestra, which, I just now read, “represented the apex of Jazz to the general public.

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Want to hear Paul’s orchestra? Too bad, here you go:

Paul was successful, and as a successful guy, he needed a swanky car, which that Cord L29 definitely was. But even swankier are those tires.

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I mean, just look at them, this time without Paul in the way:

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These are Vogue tires, which were known for their novel and ornate sidewall designs. The distinctive patterned-white sidewall tires were the result of Vogue tire West Coast distributor Lloyd Dodson seeing whitewalls on chauffeured vehicles around LA, and realizing there could be a market selling fancy tires to rich Hollywood types, so he borrowed some money and started a tire company with his brother.

Vogue’s site suggests the company invented the whitewall tire in 1914; tires at the time were almost all black, due to the carbon used in the vulcanization process, which was a change from earlier all-white non-vulcanized tires. Vogue also started putting gold stripes on their tires, for even more classiness.

Let’s look closer at these patterned tires:

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That’s pretty fun. I have to wonder why this never really caught on? You’d think there would be people who would love tires with patterns on them, right? It’s not like there’s any major technical challenge to this – I know colored rubber tires have been tried but never caught on, in part because of the difficulty of making non-black rubber that’s as durable, but this is just basically printing color on the sidewall, so it shouldn’t have those issues.

That pattern above really works well with wire wheels, too. I can imagine some really compelling patterns could be made that worked with modern tires, possibly even ones that, when in motion, made some interesting animated patterns or something. We can dream, right?

Okay now for the odd NASCAR trivia tie-in: the first non-American built car and the first (and only) Jaguar to win a NASCAR race was in 1954, and the car, a Jag XK120 driven by Al Keller, was sort of owned by Paul Whiteman!

I say sort of because the car was actually owned by Ed Otto, co-founder of NASCAR, and they wanted to avoid any conflict of interest issues, so the car was entered under Paul’s name.

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Here’s a video about that unusual “international” NASCAR race:

Man, those old XKs were fantastic-looking. Think how they’d look with some patterned whitewalls!

 

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TurtleRacer427
TurtleRacer427
22 days ago

Let us not forget GM’s glowing tires.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
22 days ago

Vulcanization originally referred exclusively to the treatment of natural rubber with sulfur to cross link the polymers. Charles Goodyear discovered the process sort of by accident in 1939 by dropping some suplher and rubber into a hot frying pan.

You know I have heard this story many times, but never has how the sulphur and rubber mixture found its way into the Goodyear kitchen in the first place been explained. The home life of 19th century inventors must have been something.

Anyway, the white rubber is Vulcanized, adding carbon black came later.

Natural rubber tires are amazing, there are some WWII vintage tires here that show no deterioration

DONALD FOLEY
DONALD FOLEY
22 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

1839

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
22 days ago
Reply to  DONALD FOLEY

Sigh, of course 1839.

By 1939 inventors had mostly departed the kitchen.

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
23 days ago

Metzeler made blue snow tires in the 70s and Michelin had colored mountain bike tires in the oughts.
Bicycle tires are often skinwalls where the tread is,glued to the casing so the sidewalls are actually the casing. This led to some less expensive tires having tan sidewalls. My cyclocross bike has Panaracer tires with tan sidewalls and it looks right because CX bike run tubular tires

Vee
Vee
21 days ago
Reply to  Slow Joe Crow

Blue, green, and magenta coloured BMX tires were a fad sometime around 2005. I remember Schwinn Stingrays with those were featured in music videos and TV shows as a fashionable thing. My redneck friend and I used clothes dye to try and turn his Stingray’s tires green to match the frame. It last about four or five days but permanently discoloured the rim of the wheel.

Cerberus
Cerberus
21 days ago
Reply to  Slow Joe Crow

BMX tires in various colors were huge in the ’80s. I got what I could afford (mostly castaways with some life still on them that I recovered on trash day walking home from school), so that might be one reason why I have a thing for colored bike tires today, which come in all kinds of colors (I have cream, brown, gray, brown with cream sidewalls and green and blues with tan sidewalls).

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
20 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Yes, my wife’s road bike had Michelins with blue sidewalls for years. Unfortunately they no longer exist in 700×23 so her current tires are grey

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
23 days ago

…possibly even ones that, when in motion, made some interesting animated patterns or something.

Might work in combination with a fender skirt with an opening just big enough for one instance of the pattern. Tire cartoons. I believe the world needs this.

Emily Velasco
Emily Velasco
23 days ago

More of these posts about vintage LA automobile photos! A regular car noir feature!

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
22 days ago
Reply to  Emily Velasco

Yes!
And LA covered with oil wells..

Jason Roth
Jason Roth
23 days ago

Whiteman’s a funny case: musically, he was much more like Pat Boone/Vanilla Ice than Elvis*/Eminem (in that the scary new Black music was being watered down for white tastes), but his musicians were top notch, and most of them had long careers playing jazz as hot and innovative as their Black peers. In fact Bing Crosby (who sings on the clip here) was an incredibly important jazz singer—when he wasn’t singing with Whiteman. He and Louis Armstrong had a mutual admiration society, but Bing liked money, and singing with Whiteman brought him lots of it, as did his later recordings with the anodyne John Scott Trotter (who, much later, did orchestrations on the Peanuts TV specials). So nowadays Crosby is remembered as a bland crooner, but circa 1930 he was a big deal among white and Black jazz audiences.

*due respect to Chuck D, but there’s no real evidence that Elvis was particularly racist, and his early recordings were bold and dangerous, not whitewashed (although they included elements from white musical traditions as well as Black)

Vee
Vee
21 days ago
Reply to  Jason Roth

There’s also the crossover Whiteman has with Glenn Miller, whose sound basically defined World War II. Whiteman had ghost writers and idols of their fields for some of his more popular songs, and when his popularity started fading in the late 1930s during his switch from stage to radio many of them joined with Glenn Miller — Including Dorothy Claire, who sang a version of Perfidia so impactful it caused Benny Goodman to forgo his longstanding rule of never stepping on Whiteman’s toes to record his own cover of the song with Helen Forrest before Whiteman could do it, which started an arms race towards the lounge and big band sound among the swing and jazz bands of the era. So without Whiteman we wouldn’t have that iconic soundtrack to World War II that so many know.

Cerberus
Cerberus
21 days ago
Reply to  Vee

Awesome! I love that music, but don’t much of the history.

Jason Roth
Jason Roth
19 days ago
Reply to  Vee

Interesting! I didn’t know that part of the interaction.

Jonee Eisen
Jonee Eisen
23 days ago

It’s interesting Vogue claims to have invented the whitewall. When carbon black first started being added to tires, they originally only did it to the tread, so there were plenty of tires with black tread and natural white sidewalls. As manufacturing processes evolved, carbon black was used throughout the tire. But, folks liked the classy look of whitewalls, so companies began adding a white layer to the sidewalls. One story I’ve heard is that when tires were all white, if you were rich enough to afford a chauffeur, they would keep your tires clean. So a bright white tire was a status symbol.

Vee
Vee
21 days ago
Reply to  Jonee Eisen

I thought it was that the carbon black was the inside of the tire and the white was the original exterior colour after treatment, meaning that as the tire wore down the contact patch would wear away the white, leaving the sidewalls white. Thus the prestige came from having all white tires, meaning you either never drove much or could afford to replace the tires often.

Jonee Eisen
Jonee Eisen
20 days ago
Reply to  Vee

I don’t think that was ever true. Carbon black was blended into the rubber, so the tires were black throughout.

Cerberus
Cerberus
21 days ago
Reply to  Jonee Eisen

With bicycles, the skin wall was reportedly more comfortable as the sidewalls without the carbon black had more give while the black was more durable. Don’t know how true that is or if it applied to cars in the earlier days and I’ve never been able to really tell the difference with bikes beyond a margin of butt dyno error, but that’s a story I’ve seen multiple times.

Jonee Eisen
Jonee Eisen
20 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

That could have been part of the idea with only adding the carbon black to the tread on car tires originally, too. It did the make the rubber more firm.

Cerberus
Cerberus
23 days ago

Different colors were common on bicycles prior to carbon black, too. According to antique bicycle nerds and some old catalogs, my 1912 Iver Johnson would have likely had black tires new, but brick reds were also popular. I went with a cream color (that’s aged to a tan) to stand out more as an antique and because I liked the look. The rubber is definitely not holding up as well after 10 years and pretty low miles than even older black tires on other bikes that spend more time in the sun and get more miles. As the tires were a nightmare to get on the (new) wood wheels, I’ll probably cut them off when the time comes and go with black (and a different brand that will hopefully be easier to get on even if the tread pattern doesn’t look right). That said, I have brown Schwalbe tires on my rocket bike that are only a few years newer that seem to be holding up as well as black would, though the green/tan wall Panaracers on my USAAF bike are somewhere in between. Then again, perhaps I’m only noticing the micro cracking more because of the color, at least with the Panaracers. The Linus tires on the antique are definitely not as elastic as they should be. So, just going by these unscientific observations of my dubious color coding fashion choices of bike tires, besides forecasting and logistics, I’d say another big reason for the failure of colored car tires is how much faster the rubber ages.

AssMatt
AssMatt
23 days ago

‘Cause you’re gonna melt all…this…stuff!

Cerberus
Cerberus
23 days ago
Reply to  AssMatt

That was a fun movie that people seldom seem to mention. And I agreed—I always had a thing for Carol Kane and her kooky characters.

AssMatt
AssMatt
23 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Leave off the last two, and check out Kimmy Schmidt if you haven’t!

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
23 days ago

My grandmother knitted some tires for me.

DysLexus
DysLexus
23 days ago

Wow. So much going on here in one article…

A wealthy Whiteman (Paul) making a living playing Blackman music (Jazz) in 1923 with an all-White orchestra driving around in a long-ass Cord (L92) with 5 fancy checkered White styling features plastered on the functional (better) Black vulcanized rubber tires in Los Angeles who doesn’t really own a Nascar-winning Jaguar but had as name appropriated to it to avoid any conflict of interest with Southern NASCAR fans.
Hmm… just can’t make this stuff up!
Keep up the good work Torch!

Scone Muncher
Scone Muncher
23 days ago

Personally I would have gone with ‘Anything Goes’ as the ’20s jazz is much straighter and less familiar to modern ears as ‘jazz’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qYqkAV7Xxw

AssMatt
AssMatt
23 days ago
Reply to  Scone Muncher

The antidote!

Jesus Chrysler drives a Dodge
Jesus Chrysler drives a Dodge
23 days ago

Ever looked at sidewall tread carefully, like on an off-road tire? The lugs are not consistent. I suppose it has to do with efficiently creating a design that works for multiple diameters, tire manufacturers don’t spread the pattern out evenly across the tire’s circumference, they just add, remove, or scale a few lugs until it all fits. When it’s all black you barely notice.

Which makes the idea of a contrasting sidewall pattern so much harder. You’d have to customize the whole design for each size, or else any imperfection would stand out like a crooked tooth. Although I suspect that back in the day of these photos, there were fewer different tire sizes, so this may have been more doable.

Mike B
Mike B
23 days ago

It’s also for noise. Inconsistent lug patterns are less prone to making noise, the different frequency of the noise from different sized lugs can cancel themselves out.

Ben
Ben
23 days ago
Reply to  Mike B

TIL

Ixcaneco
Ixcaneco
23 days ago

In 1967, I thought my ’66 Mustang, 289, 4-Speed, glass pack mufflers, yellow fog lights and chrome reverse wheels was ever so cool with Michelin radials with a red line on the sidewall.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
23 days ago
Reply to  Ixcaneco

I’m always surprised red-lines haven’t made a comeback. Given the exploding desire for distinctive stuff, it’s odd that tires are still so much all the same.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
23 days ago

I’d like to see red-lines make a comeback.

JDE
JDE
23 days ago

Coker Makes white walls for those that still want them, the issue with Vogue’s is they were adopted early by the Inner city low rider crowd and the rich clientele they were targeting did not want to be associated. Just my take on them, as I agree they look good on many a stately car, but they almost exclusively seem to be on clapped out Chrysler 300’s around here.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
23 days ago

Firestone at least made some similar stuff well into the ’60s. The white part was smaller, but there was a fair amount of ornate checkering above it on the sidewall. Mustangs often came with them, you can still see the vintage ads. It’s definitely cool-looking, if only b/c of how different and how homogenous stuff would soon become.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
23 days ago

On another note NASCAR finally awarded a long ignored win to Bobby Allison.
After close to 60 years of sitting with their heads up their asses…

If all tires were white and half Vulcan, maybe we could have peace in our galaxy again.
Or at least America?

What a fucked up country.

Last edited 23 days ago by Col Lingus
Nicholas Nolan
Nicholas Nolan
23 days ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

I mean, yeah it’s a fucked up country, but I don’t see the tie in with this article. Did I miss a paragraph?

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
23 days ago
Reply to  Nicholas Nolan

Ok.
Bobby Allison is your hint for today.
Or Mr. Spock?
Good luck…

Last edited 23 days ago by Col Lingus
Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
23 days ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

Well you have a point there, Jane Wyman, Majel Barrett, Cynthia Blaise, Winona Ryder, and Mia Kirshner are all white.

Jonathan Hendry
Jonathan Hendry
23 days ago

Jane Wyatt. Close!

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
23 days ago

Bah, I’m old. Kirshner is the best one anyway.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
23 days ago

Come on. You can get this one…lol

Tbird
Tbird
23 days ago

Dad always ran whitewall tires, I remember cleaning them with Brillo pads as a kid (’80s). Our neighbor ran Vogue tires with the gold lines on his Cadillacs.

I had one SUV (’89 Cherokee) with white letters.

BTW, the Cord and tires are glorious.

Last edited 23 days ago by Tbird
Car Guy - RHM
Car Guy - RHM
23 days ago

Love those L29 Cords, plus it has those fancy pants tires. Don’t see mnodern tires with patterns but I do on occasion see tires with the custom lettering on them.

Jb996
Jb996
23 days ago
Reply to  Car Guy - RHM

Except for the Cybertruck sidewall which has a specific pattern to match the overlapping hub.

Chronometric
Chronometric
23 days ago

Since native rubber is white, before vulcanization became a thing many turn of the century (1900, not 2000 children) cars actually had white tires.

Last edited 23 days ago by Chronometric
Jonee Eisen
Jonee Eisen
23 days ago
Reply to  Chronometric

It’s not the vulcanizing process that turns rubber black, it’s the addition of carbon black (basically carbon in powder form) which started being used in the second decade of the 20th century. Carbon black made the rubber last even longer that just vulcanizing and also turned it black, obviously. White tires were always vulcanized. Vulcanization is what allows rubber tires to exist since it turns rubber from a malleable, sticky substance into something stronger and more durable.

Chronometric
Chronometric
23 days ago
Reply to  Jonee Eisen

Good to know. I thought the carbon black was part of vulcanization.

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